Pasted as rich text. For example ENPH leaves room for 5 technical electives, all of which can be biology courses if you like; and there is nothing preventing you from taking more than 5exceptyourownsanity. . I don't know much about the BioMed program - but from what I understand it's offered in two departments.   Your link has been automatically embedded. Rising. If you want to combine both, it's not impossible but you'd probably need to get an advanced degree (think PhD or MD/PhD). The reality is that most people drop it and just do a regular engineering degree. Pre-Med exists so that you can easily qualify for UBC Medical school after finishing your engineering undergrad degree. But, take these courses when they fit best in your schedule. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. log in sign up. A forum for non-standard applicants who have taken a less direct pathway to medicine or dentistry. Since I received my offer to UBC engineering a month ago I've known that Biomedical engineering was for me. From what I understand going through medical school and becoming a doctor means following the same procedures and same methodical textbook solutions with little time to create new solutions. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about how competitive these programs are? UBC medical school has some specific medical school requirements. (Obviously you can still get into med school without having taken these courses at all but it's good mcat prep). Hey, Im considering going to UBC for premed. OK, so if the professor aims for half the students to get Cs, does he set a set proportion of students who should get As? Sorry if I am being a little jumpy with my points, this is just a huge crossroad in life for me and I'm not sure in which path to take. That only takes a year to complete - I could apply when I start my undergrad degree and (Insha'Allah) get it by the time I'm 19. Home Join Events Office Hours and Location About Us Contact Sponsors Your Medical Journey Starts Here! By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Neither are easy. OK, the fact that there seem to be no set quotas for large classes, makes me feel a little bit better... Also, I've heard that first-year classes are supposed to be the most difficult, and that it gets easier after that (as in, easier to get a high mark). Is it acceptable to take premedical course requirements online? Plus he wasn't exactly planning on having me (he was 56 when I was born), so I guess he didn't think of applying for those things when he was younger. This change has been made to ensure the continued safety of all participants, including applicants, interviewers, and administrative staff, as we continue to experience the COVID-19 pandemic. Guest triplefudgebrownie, May 26, 2005 in General Premed Discussions. Where's your family? Oh, but as for getting a Green Card in the US, I was thinking the Diversity Visa Lottery. As for paying for school, my dad says he can pay for my undergrad degree, and there's a high probability that he'll be able to pay for my graduate study too, depending on how much my mom gets in the divorce. Read more about this here! Innovating new medical devices and working on projects to save lives and increase the quality of life for those with terminal illnesses. That way you can leave it til later to decide whether to pursue med school and still get to work on cool projects like these. You're right, it's to do with personality... my personality's like, I don't like leaving things unfinished, I always try to do everything on time, and I'm really organized - don't mean to brag or anything. You need to maintain an 80% average to stay in the program. I’m 24 years old, and I’m about to finish my undergrad in Emergency Services Administration. These are very competitive. So, it's not that terrible, really. As usual on the OldPreMeds Podcast, our question is taken from the Nontrad Premed Forum: “I recently had a big wake up call about what I’d like to do as a career. It would take extra time out of my life though, so I don't really wanna take that route :/. Of course they will look at your grades and compare your success at school with that of other applicants of similar backgrounds. But of course something got messed up and my parents got their PR cards over a month ago and nobody knows where mine is. Only 2-3 engineers make it in UBC Med each year. Of course, my 3.4 didn't prevent me from getting an admin job that summer with a decent pay. ......not to scare you or antyhing, but there is a reason why second year courses are not first year courses. when i was in grade 12, i got accepted into U of T, McGill and UBC and back then, u of t and ubc sounded equally hard,, so i just chose BC because i have family here. (sorry if that was too personal of a question). 99th percentile. Doing the pre-med alternative path leaves you little time to do research, volunteer, or extracurriculars, which are equally important to getting into med school. Are they planning to immigrate too? But you do need to be knowledgable enough to study the MCAT books hard, AND have some research experience. All applicants (except UBC students) seeking credit for the English requirement must send one set of official AP, IB or A Level transcripts directly to the Admissions Office by the application deadline. maybe easier to get into med there if u speak french and are willing to learn med in french? Are there any schools that are fairly easy to get into? You should budget in an extra year for the premed classes. My family... OK... my dad never wanted to apply for US/CA citizenship/permanent residency because he'd have to live (and work) there for a bit, and jobs overseas (ie. The majority of people usually ends up with a C. On the other hand, I know in my 12-person Japanese language class nobody has a C. P.S. I was PMed today by another poster and congratulated on my admissions to UBC med. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. You should budget in an extra year for the premed classes. Originally, my parents were told I was not able to apply with them due to some family issues, but apparently either the rules changed or the original officer was misinformed and I submitted an application at the last moment. :rollin Too funny. Even if I did want to take the course again, I don't think they would let me - I think my courses are counted as college credits (from a British school). This change has been made to ensure the continued safety of all participants, including applicants, interviewers, and administrative staff, as we continue to experience the COVID-19 pandemic. I'm looking at 5 or 5.5 years (which my parents aren't too pleased about lol) but it's been really good for my mental health and grades. I'm looking at 5 or 5.5 years (which my parents aren't too pleased about lol) but it's been really good for my mental health and grades. Thanks that's a good answer. the average for our Biology class would be around 85%, but I guess marks drop a lot when you go to uni.. Did you find that there was a significant proportion of students getting GPAs in the range of 3.7-3.8 and above, or almost none at all? i took AP calculus in high school and my first year math is one of my highest marks),,, if u have college credits, then u have no choice .. anyways, in terms of med, i sometimes wonder what would happen if i had gone to McGill and had become a quebec resident? Hello students of UBC, I recently came across for the UBC Premed Society, but it seems like the Premed society isn't active anymore. An area for Canadian dental students to interact and share information. However, since then my semester GPA has varied from 3.5 to 3.9, so I wouldn't say I'm doing worse than I did in high school by any means. Show … This is just my experience, but I do NOT know a single person who has made it into med school from this program. I was rejected immediately, even though I had a variety of tough courses on my resume, speak 5 languages, work while in school, volunteer constantly, etc. Arts. Put me back there today, and I probably would've had a 3.9 or so. That's what my parents did, and I counted as part of the family as I was under 21 or 23 or whatever the "dependant" age is. 3 years ago. Where are you getting this info from? Our office does not accept electronic copies of AP or A Level transcripts. It seems ridiculous to me though....do they seriously think a college graduate with a C-average on his or her diploma will be able to get any job?:x. Got accepted to med school after 3rd year. One last point. A mean GPA of around 3.0 or less is considered grade deflated, and both U of T and McGill have a mean GPA of 2.2 . But that can't compare to an investment banking job. I'm comparing it with high school here, e.g. I received my offer into the Pre-Med Engineering path 3 days ago and I've been thinking it over, but I am not completely decided in what I want to do. How hard is it to get a high GPA at UBC? High … Would it be compared to the same bell-curving given at the University of Toronto?Would going to UWO be a better option in improving my chances in entering medical school in Canada? I keep in touch with a lot of graduates because I joined a predominantly upperclassmen student org when I was a sophomore, and I can definitely tell you that the ones with the better grades are also the ones who ended up with better jobs. 1 9 5 591. Don't worry about how long, whatever it is you want to do, will take. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. All we were asked to do was send in our resumes and then he would contact those who he was most interested in. Granted, I got some really good grades in Year 11, but I don't play any sports, and I worked my ass off. How hard is __?, Look at my timetable and course material requests), programs, specializations, majors, minors, tuition/finance and registration go here. Mmmmmmmmmmm Minnesota. I already have an internship this summer at a medium sized medical innovations firm which could pan out into something more permanent, but I have to decide now if I should be deciding to go to medical school and if I should be part of this Alternative Pre-Med Route. http://www.bme.ubc.ca/undergraduate-studies/pre-med-alternative-path/. × Engineering education is generally seen as the first step towards practising the profession of engineering. UBC Pre-medical Society. Some of my Econ classes would have 28 students and the expectations were 2 As, 5 Bs, and the rest Cs and a few Ds (Ds not alloted of course). So an average GPA of 2.2 is by no means strange. Hot New Top. However, you would always find that about 50% of people got Cs, 20% Bs, 10% As, and the rest would be Ds and Fs. And the med schools are easier for international students to get into and they're less expensive. It really depends. Triplefudgebrownie (oh, boy, I'm getting a craving ).....I don't remember my exact GPA in high school....It was just a bit too low for me to be on High Honors, so it must've been 3.6. Admissions might be able willing to answer these things. I want to spend my life creating things. Hot New Top Rising. 2 2 > Admissions < All Canadian med school decisions regarding winter 2020 grades. UBC COURSE QUESTION, PROGRAM, MAJOR AND REGISTRATION MEGATHREAD (2020W & 2021S): Questions about courses (incld. Anyway, I personally didn't *participate* in the application process and didn't go through any interviews, my parents did, but if you have any questions, PM me, I might be able to answer. A fair amount of engineers do work in the medical field (like robotics). I've heard the BioMed Engineering program is one of the tougher engineering degrees. I'm not sure about Canada, but in the US, if you're an intl student, you need to have a US citizen co-sign your loan if you plan to pay for school yourself. A portion of these destinations is discussions or websites which you can register or remark on. Here in the States they are broken up (like, General Chem is a 2 semester sequence, etc). So no you don't need to specialize in a specific "pre-med" area (fuck, I hate the word pre-med). If you in the IB program, and getting very high 90's (like 99, yikes!8o ), you should not worry so much about your future marks in university. It's extremely difficult to fit in 27 extra credits in your four years. I 'd say that first year was the hardest just because its really hard to adjust to univ,,, it takes u at least one semester to learn how to study,, so usually people have low marks during their first year,,, u also have to consider that at ubc, first year classes are HUGE... some classes have as much as 500 ppl in them,, so its really hard to do well (best example is second year organic chemistry where the midterm avg is about 40-45%).. on the other hand, at the end, for most science courses the avg has to be around 69 or something but it totally depends on the prof if he wants to have it higher. I know a few people who were in that stream, but they dropped it by their 2nd or 3rd years. My general advice would be that you should go into MECH, ELEC, or ENPH and pick up biomed-related projects. I feel like I'm missing something looking at that premed info page. IMPORTANT NEWS: CC Forums are now in read-only mode as the team is working on the transition to a new, modern forum platform with enhanced features. × save. Upload or insert images from URL. Even if you do not decide to pursue medical school, these chem/bio/biochem courses will help in graduate school or industry as a biomedical engineer. You deserve to live your dream and it is within your reach. I should get credits for most of my first year classes anyway, so I hope that'll kind of "cushion" me.. Oh yeah, and I *would* do the courses again - but quite frankly, I just wanna get my undergrad degree out of the way as soon as possible - the less time I have to spend in it, the less money I have to spend too. I've been volunteering heavily in first aid and living in a family with a difficult medical past in cancer I know that working in medicine/healthcare is something that I could commit the rest of my life to. If anything, they usually would scale marks up if the average was too low or the failure rate too high. But, I went to a very challenging private school where I played sports 3 hours a day among other things, and I was taking 2 Advanced Placement courses. :eek. Coop is such a nightmare. My suggestion, if you want to keep your options open, is to see what courses are required for admission to medical school (for example, UBC seems to only require English these days) and just try to take them on your own, rather than following a pre-determined template and possibly be forced to take classes you don't end up needing even if you do decide to go to medical school. card. 6 days ago. Some profs will set up a very rigid structure in terms of how many of what grades will be given out. C is considered to be "average" and most professors will design a class where about half the students will get a C by exerting "average" effort. Clear editor. The short answer is: probably not. Like you said, going to medical school and becoming a doctor is indeed very different than innovating in the medical field. 988 comments. r/UBC: The online community of the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada! Posted by Med . Hot. Amen to that... changing schools was hell for me. share. Sometimes they care about the courses you've taken (if they're looking for specific skills, which happens fairly often in engineering jobs) but they very rarely ask for a transcript... most of the time they will take your word for it (which actually scares me a bit, I'm honest, but I'm sure there are people out there who would stretch the truth to get a job!) :/. I’m aware this is a premed forum, but due to financial reasons I’m unable to apply to medical school this cycle and was looking at masters of public health instead. We are excited to announce that the upcoming 2020-21 UBC MD Admissions interviews will be held completely virtually in 2021. You must therefore specify that you want your test results sent to UBC. You can post now and register later. That is the thing that I dislike the older I get is that you have to specialize more and more. I'll have transfer credits for most of my first-year courses, I think, so theoretically I should get into university and skip the "weeding out" process. do they seriously think a college graduate with a C-average on his or her diploma will be able to get any job?:x. Not at UBC, but similar school. Jochi, it really sucks that they can't find your card... :/ At least you know you'll get it eventually though, so don't worry :-) It'll appear in time.. Results of a study conducted at Florida State University in 2009 demonstrated that medical schools significantly preferred applicants who earned their degrees in a traditional in-person setting compared to those who completed some of their courses online. Biomedical engineers have a lot of limitations with respect to interacting with patients. Office Address SUO of UBC (Students' Union Okanagan of UBC) 3272 University Way, Rm UNC133 Kelowna, BC V1V 1V7 And why I wanna go to Canada specifically for meds... well, it seems like a much better place to live than the US and England, and I want my diploma to be recognised worldwide. Either way, you might have an easier time as an international student if you attend a Canadian undergrad university. 460 comments. Students who wish to apply to medical school who are enrolled in the Biomedical Engineering Program should take one additional English course as one of their complementary studies electives. We now deliver the workshop at each of our program sites every other year,” said Andrew. Fucking blew the MCAT out of the water. It's certainly very pronounced at my college which is very "concerned" with the issues of grade deflation (I think our average graduating GPA is like 3.5 or something, between B+ and A-). There's always the option to become a clinician-scientist (MD/PhD) which has a focus on research and medical innovation. The 3 people invited to the interview all had 3.8 and above. Of course, you will need to work in university at least a bit, but you are probably well prepared. We cannot access AP, IB or A Level transcripts sent to UBC’s Enrollment Services. I'm in a British school now, and I'm a bit worried about how I'll adapt to the Canadian system. You must complete a 90-credit minimum to be considered for the program. The Admissions Team reported, 43. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. 9 9. And my mom, she's a nurse but doesn't have a college degree, and doesn't speak English, not that she'd want to do anything to help me anyway. 432. pinned by moderators. Anyone have an … You really don't need to be that sharp to be a good office assistant or customer service representative. It's a very heavy course load. I was also an international student, so I had to deal with having to adapt to a new environment and has some, though not extreme, language barrier. But in my 100-person chemistry class, for example, there was no set quota. I am going into my fourth year of Mechanical Engineering, Biomedical Specialization and I am taking all of the recommended premed courses at my leisure. Programs are available at the undergraduate, graduate and postgraduate levels, as well as through continuing professional education and public education initiatives. This can only be done through the MCAT Score Reporting System, and only after your results have been released to you. They further I get into MECH the more and more I see students leaving engineering for medical school, law school, comp sci, etc. 15 hours ago. I'm really getting fed up with not being able to get into med school as an international student - I've only found 6 med schools in CA that take internationals. Why do you need to be in a special program to take biology courses? u/yoyoyoing. I'd definitely redo the courses if I was a domestic student, but international student fees are sky-high, just not worth it. Such projects will be available, and the programs all offer opportunities to work on the cutting edge of the technologies that you need to be able to work in biomed. News:-Come out for our IceBreaker on Oct 4 … GPA is definitely not all, as I do know someone with a 4.0 who failed at securing desirable employment after graduation.   You cannot paste images directly. This is a great opportunity to hear from current medical and nursing students in the midst of their programs, degrees, and doctorates. There is a high respect for engineers in health care settings (I do research at BC Children's Hospital) so there are lots of medical/engineering overlap if you know where to look. Se trata de una alternativa creada para ofrecer a los postulantes una sólida preparación, de modo que puedan afrontar con éxito la … Huh? Has your average dropped since high school? I don't know if I mentioned this earlier, but my last resort sort of plan would be to finish my undergrad in CA, apply as a skilled worker, get permanent residency, work for a year or two and then apply to med school. But at a good job? BUT - my GPA at that point was a little over a B+. Everyone of you who is in this path will make an amazing doctor one day that I would be proud to call my colleague. Mid-East) always paid more. I've had a few Canadian folks come to my school, and they said their average dropped... so you could conclude that Canadian schools are easier to get high marks in. You look at the mean GPA of students in schools. premed advice. I'm not even applying until next year. The Biomedical Engineering Program is another Pre-Med path available to UBC engineering students. The guy took the MCAT after 2nd year, with very little "pre-med" classes and only a chemistry class offered to engineers that vaguely touched on o-chem. All the courses can be taken at a later time if you'd like, and you are not stuck in a rigid structure forcing you to do more classes than practical. You probably need an advanced degree to truly innovate, but an undergrad in one of those specializations would not preclude from working in the medical field. Discussions including applications, family, and career changes. how does McGill suffer from grade deflation? :-) … Close. how does UofT suffer from grade deflation? UBC's Distributed Medical Education Program. The main thing about the program is that it lets you choose 1st year stt's with chem 121/123 instead of chem 154. chem 154 can act as a prereq for the upper year life science courses they want you to take in the program (chem 233, bioc 202, bioc 302) but 121/123 will definitely prepare you better. Like someone else said, MECH, ELEC, ENPH, or BMEG engineering specializations are all good routes to medical school. What I might do though, is apply for a Green Card in the US (basically everyone I know from my country who bothered to apply, got it), so if I get that, I'll apply to a US med school after doing my undergrad degree in CA. i dont think there is much difference b/w the 2. oh,, one piece of advice: if u have taken AP courses, do not transfer ur credits.. its worth it if u take the course again and get a high mark than to just get the credit for it (e.g. 432. I dunno... Re: "Also, if you are a landed-immigrant or permenant resident, I think that means you can apply in the Canadian pool. So this is done after your engineering degree. Pre-Med & Medical School . I did badly fall of my freshman year, had a bit over 3.0 - mostly because I was enjoying the new-found freedom after leaving private school. That being said, UBC and many other Canadian med schools have removed all prerequisites for medical school. So I've given up on US and Canada just happened accidentally. If so, by how much? I just got my Canadian PR in March. I'm not counting on it though. I don't know how much she would be willing to contribute to my education, if any at all. +3 ‎ UBC Cancer Association ‎ to Careers in Medicine: A Panel. Archived. It's a frequent occurence that General Chem I is extremely hard and most people do terribly in it, but those who survive and take General II, find General II to be significantly easier. Posted by. I have never heard anything about grade deflation. Ranked among the world’s top medical schools with the fifth-largest MD enrollment in North America, the UBC Faculty of Medicine is a leader in both the science and the practice of medicine. :-) Thanks! Display as a link instead, × James Andrew is the UBC MD undergraduate admissions coordinator. I just wanted to ask, does it suffer from grade deflation like U of T and McGill? It's extremely difficult to fit in 27 extra credits in your four years. Whether you are not invited this time or don't get an offer, please do not give up. But for grad school/meds, a C- isn't going to get you far, but thats part of the whole "weeding out" process... it starts in first year and ends (hopefully) in meds! Anyone doing premed at UBC, I'd love to know what you think of it. 2 2 2. Join. Bottom Line: Don't take the premed alternative path. Did they end up graduating from engineering then moving to med school after they received an engineering degree? 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